How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

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I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

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ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

What were the first few days, weeks, months and then years like after finding out about your spouses infidelity? How did your feelings, and yours & their approach to the situation change in the immediate aftermath compared to later down the line?

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

Why do gun owners feel the need to defend themselves with deadly weapons? Can they not just talk things out like civilized people do?

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

Why is going on a date today so much different than it was when I was young?

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

What would have happened if Shin was a good movie instead of a bad one?

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

What is the difference between heaven and heavens?

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

Why do I want to be caught sucking dick by my wife?

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

What do men find attractive in an older woman?

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

What were some things that the ancient Greeks excelled at compared to the Romans?

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

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The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

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Now here in this verse

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

Sain (a barber)

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

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ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

NOW…

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Kabir (a weaver)

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

I am like a fish out of water,

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

CONCLUSION:

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

then who is there to know what happens without?

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

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Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!